228. Summer Break Series - The Wives Edition

Welcome back to the 4 Freedom Podcast. What a great time it is down here in Orlando, Florida. We are hanging out. This is something that me and Brett don't get to do a lot of, which is record in person, which is fun. We get to hang out. We rented a house. We've got Jake coming in tomorrow, and we get to hang out together with our families. We went to SeaWorld yesterday, Universal the day before. Brett and Emily and their family was at Universal the last two days. Had a great time with that. But Brett, how are things going with you? And how are things going? Excited about the convention coming up? Oh yeah, super excited. I do believe I feel like a real Floridian. And I think part of the key to being a Floridian is living with traffic, is going 10 miles in 30 minutes. I think that's key to living in this state, you know, other than an abnormal love for orange juice. But things are going very well for us here. I'm glad to be here. Man, I'm looking forward to seeing some guys tomorrow. Tomorrow, I think. We're going to see Marcus Merritt and some other guys that, as I said, we're going to meet up. Some guys said that they'd come meet us down here, and I'm super excited about that, you know. So, look forward to the convention every year, mainly just to see familiar faces. And so, we're looking forward to that. Yeah, Pari made it in from Israel, and so it'll be good to reconnect with her over the next couple of days as well. And I can definitely agree. This driving, taking forever to get places is difficult. I'm used to, if it's 30 minutes, it's 30 miles, not a third of that everywhere you go. But today, we're going to jump right into our actual episode. We are excited because we don't get to talk with our wives often on the episode. This is only the second time that Allison has ever been forced to come onto the episodes. And Emily's first time, because since John left the podcast, we did an episode many, many times back. It was back episode 40 or 50, where we talked about our wives just talking through some stuff and their story. And so, we are really excited about them coming on and sharing their time. So, how we're going to structure this is Allison's going to give a Cliff Notes version of her story. And then, we're going to throw the mic over to Emily. She's going to share her story, more of detail because most of you don't know her. And then, they're going to share some things that have been hard for them to sort of let go of in the IFB or change from the IFB. So, without further ado, let's jump in to our wives talking about their story. For freedom, you set me free. Not for change, not for guilt, not for pharisee. Grace lit the flame, now I'm puffing peace. Cigars and victory justified, released. Welcome to the For Freedom Podcast. This podcast exists to bring the freedom of the gospel for everyday Christians with everyday issues. I ain't saved by dress codes, not by what I eat. 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Now here are your hosts, James Seyfried and Brett Martin. Well, like James just said, my name is Allison. From the original episode forever ago, I gave my testimony briefly. I'm just going to hit the highlights just to refresh some minds, I guess. I was raised in Hot Springs, Arkansas at Gospelite Baptist Church with Brother Eric Capaci. I had a great time there. I loved the church, loved where I grew up. It was a lot different than what it is now. I started going to the church when I was five years old. I raised through the bus ministry. My parents basically looked at it as a free babysitting. They would tell my bus captain that, of course, they're coming because we need a break from them. It was me and my sister at the time. And we would come every single Sunday. And then they had a promotion one year where they told us to get on our hands and knees and basically beg our parents to come to church. So me and my sister did just that. Got on our hands and knees and begged and begged and begged until my mom and dad decided that they were going to come along with us. And then basically from there, they joined the church. We started going to the Christian school there. I was in fourth grade when I started the Christian school. I graduated from the Christian school and then went on to Champion Baptist College where I got a degree in secondary education. That's where I met the love of my life, James. You guys know him. But that pretty much is my testimony. Thank you, dear bride. At the time of this recording, she gets to turn a birthday tomorrow. She's turning a ripe old age of 37. And so that's always exciting. Yeah, no, she's not that young. And so we're excited about celebrating her tomorrow. But Emily, she is a different breed if you've never met her. And she's going to share her story and how she was raised. She and Brett met, which you guys have heard before, at Tri-State Bible College, which was basically a mini-Hiles-Anderson. I guess their claim to fame would be one that Brett Martin graduated from there, but also the college that out in Missouri. Matt Dudley graduated from as well. So maybe you've got a fun story about Matt you could share, maybe to open up. But we'll turn it over to Emily. She's going to share her story. Brett, do you want to say anything about Emily before you? Well, I just wanted to go back to James, to Allison's story that James has also loved my life. So, you know, we do have that in common. So without further ado, here's my wife, Emily. So I grew up in South Haven, Mississippi, which is just south of Memphis. My parents brought us up in church from the time I was a baby until I was in about the fifth grade. We went to Bethel Baptist Church, and that was Pastor Ron Westmoreland. And in about the fifth grade, my parents kind of drifted away from church. But my dad was a bus captain at one point. He ran a bus ministry for a very, very long time. And then after that, they kind of drifted away from church, but I still rode the bus. And I rode the bus from the time I was in the fifth grade until high school. And then I went to Tri-State, and I still rode the bus in college. And in college is where I met Brett. My parents currently are not in church. The rest of my siblings, there are six of us, are not in church. That might be a story for another day. I'm not quite sure. But so my story out of the IFB is very, very different because it is not that my family, it's not that I was separating from my family who was in the IFB. It's that I was, when I was in the IFB, I was separated from my family because they were not. And that was the, that was a struggle there. But that's basically, yeah. So one of the things when me and John talked with Mary and Allison the first time was, and I want to get y'all's perspective on this, when you left the IFB, and Brett shared a little bit about this, what was some of the, like, the process of what it went through? So for instance, me and Allison, we had moved back to North Carolina and we, I was working at Chick-fil-A, so I'd get off like noon because I'd go in like four o'clock. So I had four or five hours before the kids got home. I was watching YouTube videos, beginning to dissect what I believed and why I believed it. And then Allison would get home and we'd sort of talk about it. And we sort of slowly progressed. We joined the Southern Baptist Church. We left a legalism environment. But it was like a slow two-year process. Where with John and Mary, John just was like, Mary, you've got to believe this. And like forced it down her throat of like, this is wrong. I can't believe we believed this our whole life. Like, how do you do this? So what was that like for you guys coming out of the IFB? And Brett or Emily can start with this. But just what was that like? Who was the initiator of it? How did that happen? Was there a disillusionment moment where you saw something or something stood out to you? I was like, maybe this isn't the right thing that we should be in. I think parts of it were slow and parts of it were fast. So we went from going to a IFB church where he was the children's pastor. And then we got a church just right over the state line from Mississippi into Louisiana. And we started pastoring a Southern Baptist church. And I think parts of it were slow and parts of it were fast. Transitioning from wearing the skirts all the time to wearing pants. I can remember we were sitting in our living room. And I text him from across the living room. What do you think if I started wearing pants? He said, okay. And so then I bought it. Yeah, he texted back. He texts back. Okay. The music was a slow process for the church. Like we're like, church music has to be church music in our minds. You know what I'm saying? But, and then I think just, and then Bible translations was also a slow process. Like just easing into something else. I think some parts were fast and some parts were slow. Just depending on what it was. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, Emily. But from what I can remember, that when I finally came to you and said, okay, I'm ready to get out. You were already there. You were already there. But, you know, I hadn't got there yet. And so then when I came to you, you were ready. Is that correct? Absolutely. Okay. But, yeah, I agree. It's funny that you mentioned your, because me and James were talking about this episode yesterday. The two things that were the slowest things to get out was music and translation. And not because we had any affinity for the styles. It was just that we were just so used to it. Yeah. We're so used to that translation. So used to that type of music. And it's not that we had any special hold to it other than we're just familiar with it. It's what we're, it's what we've always known. It's what we're used to. Like, even to this day, if I were to memorize a scripture in my mind, King James is what I have. Because in my brain, it's how it has to be. Like, we just got done doing VBS. And all the kids were supposed to memorize Psalms 23. So I made them all memorize it in the King James. You know, because I can't, my brain can't go. The Lord is my shepherd. I lack nothing. My brain can't wrap around that. But, but if the Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want. I understand that. But the kids may not get it. But in my mind, it makes sense. Emily's brain is different. I'm sorry, y'all. And that makes sense. I was talking to a friend of mine the other day, and I said, you know, if, if they were to come out with a Gen Alpha version of the Bible, we wouldn't understand it a bit. But the kids, Brody and Jade and Colin and Caleb, they would read it and be like, yeah, I know everything it's saying. Like, we don't, yeah, Skibbity Tool, Ohio Riz, Bet, what all the things they say. Like, they would know everything that it was said, and we wouldn't. And, and yeah, and so it's the hard part, like we would have to go back and learn that when they're having to go back and learn, okay, what did this word mean in that version? And it's, it's such a hard language dynamic for them because words have meaning and it's good for that. So, sort of what we're going to transition from their story. Emily went super short with her story. I was expecting her to elaborate and wax eloquently on her story. You know me better than that. I don't eloquent nothing. Just so they know. That's right. That's right. Some things, yeah. So, at the, this part we're going to transition into, and me and Brett are going to sort of go back and forth and, and get some commentary as well. But, we're going to go into two, we said two, if it goes three, it can be three. It can go five or seven, however long they want to go. Um, but the two hardest things it was, uh, we, we don't want to say break from the IFB, but sort of transition from the IFB. Uh, the things that were, uh, stigmas that was preached to us. Uh, you know, the, the old statement that, that we gave brother Eric Capace gave when we were in college. Alice, you remember this, um, he did a champ, and I still got this in my, in my, uh, building. I can pull it out one day and I'll put it somewhere. But he gave us a 12 or 15 things that champion is never going to, um, change from. Um, and he said, this is the champion's creed. And he said, if I ever change from any of these, he said, you can shred the diploma that you're going to get because this is more valuable than your diploma. So the non-negotiables of things that don't change in college. So the things that are non-negotiable in our lives that we thought we could never change, right? Uh, me and Allison, when we were in Idaho, one of the things when we were talking about coming to North Carolina was, uh, we'll never be. Some of the things that I said, we'll never be at a church. That's not King James only. We'll never be at a church. It doesn't have a bus route. We'll never be at a church that doesn't have like X, Y, and Z. Like we hadn't listed out some things. And, and now some of those are, were good things, but it fits the context of where you're at. So what were some of those things that you were like, I'm never going to change on this area. But now I'm looking back and I'm like, you know, that was man-made legalism. That was something that I, um, you know, someone told me to never change from. And now I don't do that or I see the error of that. What was some of those harder things? And I may have worded that really bad in the question, but thoughts on that? Who wants to go first? Imagine that. Um, I think. Start with one. Start with one. The Bible versions. I mean, like we, it was always in our minds. King James was it. King James. And it's not, and I don't know if anybody else was like this, but our church was, it wasn't the King James version. It was the King James Bible because there are no other versions. The King James Bible is it. So trying to switch from using that to something else. When you grew up your entire life thinking or being taught that the NIV was corrupt, basically. And, and then having to dive into scripture and dive into other sources that tell you it's not corrupt. It's just modern translations. It's just different. I mean, and so. And no, and being taught also that the King James version was written on a fifth grade level. If it was written on a fifth grade level, why in the world is it so complicated to understand? And like, I can't write, I still to this day cannot write my brain around that. And even when I was a child being taught that, because our church was like, my pastor was so adamant on it. That's where he started, like King James Bible. It's not a version, it's a Bible. So, being taught that, you know, that NIV takes verses out and this doesn't have this. And it's an effeminate Bible because if you use this, then you must not be right with God. And if you do this, then you must not be right with God. But learning and trying and having to study it out for yourselves. Something you weren't really allowed to do because why would you need to? Right? Give me a hand. You know, and I'm going to say something right now. I do believe that that whole thing about the King James Bible being on a fifth grade reading level is a lie from the pit of hell. You know, so I do think that that is made up. But I got one for you. And it was weird that this is where I drew the line at. That was drums and worship music. I had been cultured to despise any form of a drum in worship music. Now, when I listened to country music, it was okay. But when it came to worship music and I heard drums in there, there was a hatred that welled deep within the pit of my being toward that. And so when I took over, I remember when I took over, and I've said this several times on the podcast, but when I took over, became pastor, refreshed out of the IFB, but still had IFB tendencies. I went through the worship music and anything that had any kind of a beat or a drum. I put it in its own little folder in no man's land and never to speak of it again. And just in case somebody from old church came by to visit, I wouldn't be accused of being a compromiser. But, you know, eventually those songs made their way out. I think that was the longest thing it took for me to kind of get over getting out of the IFB was getting past just hearing the drum beat because it had been beat into me that that was wrong. And I think that was the longest thing it took for me to get over. I would hear drums in a worship song and have that ick, but I'm glad I'm over it now. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, Kenny Baldwin, he was one of those ones that I was listening to one of his songs this morning where he would come into our chapel and he would teach on, you know, the backbeat of a song and how it was that African tribe, demonic tribe beat. But I can remember one of Allison's favorite preachers of all time, Joe Arthur. He would come and he would preach, not at Champion, but he would preach at our youth rallies and he would preach against drums. And I began talking with other people. And, you know, I love Joe Arthur. I've listened to him for years. But then I began talking to people and they're like, yeah, he's got drums on stage at his church. So when he would come to youth rallies, he would preach against it. But in his church, it was OK to have it. And I began to see more of that double standards that was often there. Allison, we'll jump to you for the first thing that is the difficult one for you to leave or the stronghold that Satan had on you. Just to mention one thing that Emily also talked on was the KJV version of Bible. When I first started going, my parents, when they first started going when we were about, I was about seven. They got us brand new, beautiful Bibles, got our names engraved on. I can't remember if I said this in the other episode. But they were so proud to give us those Bibles and then to go to church that next Sunday and to literally be told that we could not use those Bibles in our church. And had to tell my dad that had just recently gotten saved, tell him that we could not use those Bibles because they were not the right Bible. And just completely crushed a new Christian. And I wanted to mention that part. But I would say for me, once we moved out to our first ministry, I remember very firmly still saying to James that I was going to continue wearing skirts. I remember that I had worked at Central Wireless in Arkansas. And I told James I was going to wear pants. We could wear jeans on Fridays. And I got a brand new pair of pants on our honeymoon. And I was like, I'm going to buy them, but I'm not sure if I'll ever wear them. I just wanted to see what I would look like in them because I had been wearing pants or skirts since I was like, what, nine years old? I remember even my mom and I ripping up her jeans and cutting them up and wearing them around the house because we were so proud that we were getting rid of our pants. Like it was like a – yeah, like it was something fun to do. Like we were becoming new people and whatever, fitting the mold, I guess. But I remember even saying when we moved to Idaho shortly after we got married that I was still going to stay wearing skirts. I felt like that was just the right thing to do. And I remember – well, if you know anything about Idaho, it's pretty cold there. And I remember sitting or standing outside for recess one day with my students and it just being really, really, really cold. I came home one day and I was like, James, I can no longer wear pants. Like I've got to get like leggings or something. Oh, skirts. I can no longer wear skirts. Sorry. But I needed to wear pants. I remember going out. I think I won a promotion or something at school. And I got like $100. I remember going and buying a bunch of pants to wear so I could just be warm. And from then, I haven't really looked back from then. But I do remember the first couple of Sundays that took me years and years to actually wear pants on Sunday to church. And even past our first ministry into our second ministry and still several years into that ministry still wearing skirts, even though I absolutely hate wearing skirts and dresses. But wearing my first pair of pants to church, I just felt kind of freeing. And just like I was a new person because I didn't feel like I had to fit the mold anymore. I could actually feel comfortable in what I was wearing to church and still worship God. That was the contraband picture that I had on my phone as my screensaver for the longest time was Allison on our honeymoon, standing in the living room of our cabin that we had with a purple shirt on and pants on. And I kept that as my screensaver because that was like the only picture we had at that time of her with pants on. I mean, she looked beautiful. So, I mean, why wouldn't I have that as my background? So, thoughts on that, Emily? Or what was your number two? I know I got thoughts on that. Okay. So, for about nine or two, I guess it was, I don't know, you worked at the oil chain shop a long time. But I worked with you at the, he managed an oil chain shop in Macomb while we were in I-Fee for about 10 to 12 years. And I worked with him during that time. And this is the time when I was wearing skirts. But in order to be properly dressed because they have a pit, I can remember having to wear pants or leggings under my skirts so the men that worked in the pit didn't see up my skirts. And I can remember thinking the whole time, why can't I just put on a pair of pants and this would solve all my problems? I mean, it just would. It would just fix the problem of them peeping Toms down that pit. Oh, man. I would say another for me along the same lines. Not that I had to give up skirts. But, I mean, Emily said one day, Brett, you just, Brett, you got to give them up, you know. So, for me, shorts. Because I was so used to not wearing shorts. I never, ever wore shorts. When I was in high school, we played basketball in wind pants. We went swimming in, you know, fully clothed. You know, when we were mixed bathing, we were swimming in blue jeans, you know. So, that was, and it was a long, even after I left IFB, it was a long time before I bought a pair of shorts and wore them. But that was one of the things that, when Allison said that it felt freeing, me wearing a pair of shorts, that felt freeing. I was like, man, this is awesome. And where have these things been all my life? So, that was another thing that took a long time for me to get over. Yeah. And, see, I was raised in, as much as you know, as I've shared before, our church was not as legalistic on those. Well, we were kingdoms only. But our dress, I mean, we mixed bathes together. We had guys and girls swim together. There was nothing that, like, I wore shorts all the time. Girls wore pants. But we were IFB, but we weren't, like, hardcore in that area. So, there were some things that I wasn't fully bought in, and so it was more difficult with other things. So, that is definitely some areas that are different as I hear everyone's story and hear some of those things. All right, Emily, number two, what's your second thing that was the most difficult thing to change or abandon from the IFB? I don't know if this is a change or if this is abandon. But one thing I saw coming out of IFB is that the people that you thought were your friends weren't really your friends. They were only your friends because you were IFB. When you no longer were, you weren't your third friend anymore. So, I essentially lost an entire group of people who I went to church with for 10 years who I thought were my friends. And when I started wearing pants, they turned their backs on me. And people who I grew up with, even in the church that I grew up in, when I started wearing pants, they literally won't, they'll turn around and walk away from me when they see you in Walmart. Like, they won't even associate with you anymore. So, losing people that you thought were your friends, people that you thought that you can confide in, and then having nobody for a while. So, you're in that transition from IFB and you have all these people who you think are your friends or people that you go to church with. And then you're going to a brand new church where you don't really know all these people. You don't really have that friend base yet. So, you don't really have friends anymore. That transition was kind of difficult. And then you find friends, and they live states away. They live in Arkansas or Missouri or Texas or North Carolina. And so, your friends are not near you anymore. So, most of the people that I call true friends don't even live in the state I live in. I mean, me and Brett, we talk all the time. So, I mean, I don't know what you're talking about. I mean, we're like brothers. I mean, every day. You got that streak going on. It's been good. So, yeah. She is a loser. All right, Allison. What is your number two difficult thing from leaving the IFB or hardest thing to change when you left? Off the top of my head, I can think of just being raised. That gospelite music was a huge thing. I mean, recording CDs since I was a young teenager. And just engraved in me the right kind of music. Quote, unquote. But I remember when I went to my very first concert. It was a Casting Crowns concert. The love of my life actually told me that if I went to that concert, he doesn't know if he could date me anymore. Because it was a wicked, wicked concert. Now, he still listens to Southern Gospel. Not bashing Southern Gospel if you love Southern Gospel. But I am not a fan. And that was our very first, really our only date with a chaperone. And so I would say that breaking free from that music was, I guess, was really hard. More on James than it was for me. He says that I'm a reprobate and center for the music that I listen to still. But I would say music could have also been a really hard thing for us to. I mean, I still like to listen to, of course, some of the hymns and music that I grew up listening to. Just because, I mean, I love the Rochester still to this day. But, yeah, I think that would have been a hard one. So, yeah. So that's the music is definitely always a tough one. I'm a Southern Gospel guy. My wife has brainwashed my kids into not liking Southern Gospel. So it is a difficult path to road when you've got unequally yoked here with someone who just cannot appreciate good quality Southern Gospel music. But when we began to talk through that, and music's always a tough one, it's definitely one of those things that you just, it's hard to change that's been so ingrained. But I was going with the story is we were sitting just the other day. And so, Emily, you went to Christian school, public school? Public school. So the public school. Brett, you went to Christian school, right? Both. Both. Okay. So I went to public school my entire life and I went to college. And so you would think the guy that went to public school would know the alternative music, the Celine Dion stuff, all the crazy, you know, that was the first name that came to my mind. Yeah, Britney Spears. Right. Yeah, Britney Spears. Backstreet Boys. He says that. Like, you think that the guy from the public school would know these songs. A song will come on the radio. We'll be riding down the road or walking through the store. And Allison will start singing a song from our teenager. I'm like, how do you know that song? How do you know that? And I'm like, I went to public school, but I lived like this sheltered Christian school life inside of this little bubble. I didn't know any of them. And literally the other day, we were at my mom's house and I said something. And I'm like, I don't even know what you're talking about, Allison. And Allison said, yeah, you went to public school. You should know it. And my mom said something to the effect of, how did she say it, Allison? No, I was trying to tell her that it was almost like James was the Christian school kid because he didn't know the songs. And I was the public school kid because I did know him. And she just, she didn't get the fact that I was saying that James went to public school and I went to Christian school, but I know all the songs. She couldn't wrap her brain around the fact. She was like, no, he went to public school. I'm like, I know, Debra. So music is a difficult one. You know, it sort of sounds like Brett had that same flair as well in the church world. Brett, any final thoughts before we wrap it up? I have one final question for Emily. He wants to know where his pen is. No, no, I don't want to know where his pen is. I'll find that. My question is, Emily, have you always been a rebel? You always been a rebel. Like, are you mean like I'm rebelling? Are you mean asking if I'm an Ole Miss fan? Oh, there you go. The question is, yes. Yes. So, you know, that's part of it, right? When we've got this spirit inside of us that wants to rebel, it's natural, right? Adam and Eve, they rebelled in the garden. And so rebellious spirit of our day was always if you go against what the pastor says, you're wicked. We can't ask questions. And so we have this rebellious spirit. So I like questions. I love questions. My nephew has been going to my sister and my brother's, my sister-in-law and brother's church for the last couple weeks. And my sister-in-law had said he's asking questions. He's really good at engaging in questions. And I said, that's a great thing. My nephew has always been one to question everything. I mean, he'll send me 15 videos of did we land on the moon? Are aliens real? Like, is the earth flat? Is it a donut? Is it a sphere? Like, what is – like, he's constantly asking questions. And instead of me just shooting that down and saying, no, just go along with what everyone says, like, we have good, honest, great conversations. And so I think that – I use the term rebel. But asking questions is a good thing. And sometimes people can perceive that as being rebellious or having a rebellious spirit. I guess that would be one of the things that was struggling for me as well. I will just say this. I am always myself. It's all you get. So I'm not going to pretend to be somebody I'm not. Well, I agree with you on the rebellious aspect of it. And I will – let me say this. I haven't always been that way. I grew up doing what I was told – I was taught not to question anybody, and I didn't. But my pastor overplayed his hand with me. I was doing something he didn't like, and he'd come down extremely hard on me, ripped me up one side down the other, screamed at me till, you know, a fly wouldn't lie on me. And it shook me up for a couple days, and then I come to the realization, he said, wait a second, something's not right here. And that's when I started asking questions. And when I finally started asking questions, even though I'd been trained not to, I didn't like the answers that I came up with. And that's what eventually led me to get out of the IFB. But, yeah, stay curious. You know, ask questions. There's nothing wrong. What does JC say? Fear doesn't – fear doesn't – what? Truth? Truth. Truth doesn't fear the fear challenge. That's right. Yeah, truth doesn't fear the fear challenge. Good old JC quote there. He probably doesn't listen to our podcast anymore. But if he does, shout out to JC. He's got some great things going on there in North Georgia. What is that? Yeah, JC would never have Emily on. We were brave enough to bring on a rebellious spirit to talk through that. And so, yeah, JC's doing some great things up in North Georgia. New building. That's going to be great for their expansion. And just allowing the Lord to continue to grow and have opportunity to grow even more. So I'm looking forward to seeing what's going on there. Looking forward to some other interviews we have on this week that will be dropping here soon. We've got an interview with Luther Rice. Lord willing, we've got an interview with Keith Foskey coming up. Convention for us is right around the corner in just a couple of days. And as you know, if you're listening, this will already have come out by the time we're recording. But the convention is voting on the amendment for the Mueller amendment. So we're interested to see how that's going to go. I'm thinking like 20,000 or 30,000 people are going to land here in Orlando tomorrow. And so hopefully you will continue to stay safe this summer. This will probably come out in the middle of summer. And we hope that you have a wonderful time. Until next time, to God be the glory. Great things he has done. Found my new name. Found that good grace. Found that healing. And the tears fell down my face. When I found my beginning. That has no ending. Found that second chance. Found my best friend. Found my forgiveness. Found my happiness. I've been singing ever since. Found my freedom in hell. 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